20TH CENTURY GHOST -- THE STORY --SPOILERS*****

Joe's first collection.

Postby Shane on Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:49 pm

Dana Jean wrote:Shane, are you there? I can't get onto Joe's blog site, so he might have already done this. Joe mentioned that he would post 3 or 10 or maybe 20 (Okay, so he didn't exactly say that many) but he did say he would make some brief remarks about the stories as we talked about them.


Indeed, I'm here! :)

Joe has put up some comments already and said he'd put more up as everyone goes along, when he can. They might not be labeled as "Comments for (fill in)" or anything like that, so you might have to check out the full blog posts he makes to get them...
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Postby Dana_Jean on Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:21 pm

I know retard isn't PC, but dang it, it's such a great word. Our language is getting so chopped down because someone is always offended by something, I'm telling you, we're just a hop, skip and grunt away from Newspeak.
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Postby Dana_Jean on Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:25 pm

Where did Joe put up new stuff? I went and it's the 3 things about the first story, but I'm not seeing anything about this story.

I think I'm acting like a mentally challenged but handicapable individual.
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Postby Dana_Jean on Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:32 pm

Oh man, don't get me started on Oprah. I had such a great post on Joe's old board on just this topic. I can't remember it, but sort of I remember the gist and it said:

I was excited at first about Oprah's book club because it was encouraging people to read again. I was looking forward to the selections. Then came the string of: I'm fat, I was abused, I'm a midget, my mom is insane, I have aids, no one loves me, I'm a poor black child, I lost my kid, I'm a drug addict, my husband cheats, hack, hack, hack.

I absolutely couldn't take one more of these types of books. I was ready to open a vein. I thought the purpose of abook club was to challenge people to read many different genres that they might not normally read? You know, step out of the box and that old chestnut. Where was the SF or Fantasy or Horror or Western?

That's what MY damn book club would be about. We'd be reading all sorts of shit!

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. Sorry about the off topic post. Val started it.
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Postby LauraK on Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:19 pm

I'm not seeing anything in the way off comments from Joe yet, either Dana. Soon, I hope. :)

I think I'm acting like a mentally challenged but handicapable individual.


Damn, woman, but you're funny! "Handi-capable!" Did you just make that up cuz I love it! I sometimes feel handi-capable, too, lol!

I'd join your book club but then probably fall away because I'm a stick-in-the-mud horror, fantasy and sci-fi reader. Oh, and true crime.

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Postby Dana_Jean on Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:40 pm

Did I make that up? Are you insane. I steal everything. I don't think I have an original thought in my head. No, actually, I think that I got that from handicapped people who found the word "handicapped" offensive and wanted to be called "handicapable."

It's sort of like that two-headed girl they do documentaries about. They want to be considered two different people. One wants to be a dentist and one wants to be a pilot. Right. And they want to get married and have children from their shared lower lady parts.

My heart just breaks for these kids. It's a good thing they have such wonderful parents who are so positive because I'd be hiding them in the attic and text messaging Barnum, or trying to make a love connection with one of those lobster kids.
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Postby val04463 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:17 pm

How come no one is following my link to Joe's Blog and reading the shit he wrote.? I'm not lying! :shock:
Or did you guys already read it?

Yesterday a kid was waving his frigging hand off at me and my spawn and she said, "Who in hell is that?"
I said, "Brandon, he's Retarded"
She said, "You are supposed to call them M.R."
I said" His fucking head is the size of Frankinstiens and MR doesn't quite cut it"
She said, "Well, you have to Say MR"
I said" What does MR stand for?"
She said" Mentally Retarded"
I said "I rest My Case"

It was actually a delinquent greaser guy , but it was fun getting her wound up. I actually would never say that word when talking about a special kid..but her arguments sometimes are worth making myself look like a redneck hick.
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Postby Dana_Jean on Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:01 pm

val, I read that in his blog but those questions have to do with the first story Best New Horror.

Am I not seeing where he's talking about 20th Century Ghost -- The story -- that is part of the book 20th Century GhostS?

and the link you give is a post that he did BEFORE we started talking about the stories. He then posts an entry where he says he will say 2 or 3 things about each story over there as we talk about them here. That's the one you quoted in your post.

So, I'm still not seeing the 2 or 3 comments he said he would make on 20th Century Ghost besides those opening remarks that you linked us too.

And for the record, I would never talk in the real world the way I talk on a messageboard. And my children better never call someone inappropriate things or I will take them downtown and leave their ass.
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Postby val04463 on Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:52 pm

I hear you !! And I am an idiot..I am linking to the old blog entry! That's what I get for jumping in the middle of something when I've been to the most boring frigging PowerPoint presentation about Block Grants!!! What the fuck hasa my life become!? :roll:
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Postby Dana_Jean on Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:20 pm

Hey girl, you know I wasn't raggin' on you don't you? I was very frightened that perhaps I WAS retarded.
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Postby val04463 on Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:03 am

I would never think you were ragging! We don't rag....I am just so distractecd with the damn thinigs in my other life that It is messing with my Joe Hill Board Life..and somethings gotta give!!!

Anyone know how to get on Welfare?
Can you get Food Stamps because you don't want to go out to work?
Do I have to start smoking?
Can I still wear my jeans or do I need Sweatpants?
Will someone tell my husband?
Can I get Child Supposrt for my 76 Pets?
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Postby Dana_Jean on Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:03 pm

Hey guys, Joe put up a new blog on the story--plus other things of interests.
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Postby Betsy_Boo on Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:07 pm

Dana Jean wrote:I thought this was such a romantic story. Not just between Alec and Imogene, but the romantic nostalgia for a place and simpler time; the romanticizing of those who've gone before.

Val and LK, I think Alec and Imogene stayed at the Rosebud because she always said he belonged there with her. She was excited about the movies so I can't imagine that would change. She just had someone to really share them with now. Imogene knew if the placed closed, she would lose Alec and the movies--and I think maybe she would have been trapped there, alone to stare at nothing but "a single, grotesque, used condom on the floor in the front of the stage." I think she visited all her movie friends and gave them the dream to revitalize the theater. Because, there was "no place like home" and home for her was the theater.

I also thought it was pretty cool that Shane got a nod in the story--curious why he saw her during American Graffiti. Just a random pick on Joe's part? Or, is there more significance for Shane here? I had a feeling I recognized a possible character or two from real people--not just Steven Spielberg in Steven Greenberg. But, not for me to speculate.

When Alec was young and first saw Imogene, he stole a piece of film from the manager's office--a piece showing a man and woman sharing a romantic kiss. He always wished he could be kissed like that and in the end, he was. And, it was captured on film no less.

I would like to think that maybe the piece of film Alec pockets as a kid and the film that captures Alec and Imogene kissing might be one and the same--I mean afterall, anything is possible when ghosts are involved. A piece of film found by a child that depicts him in the future. But, Alec's stolen piece of film is only 8 frames long, whereas the film shot of Alec and Imogene kissing is about a 100 frames long. So, I think that blows that theory out of the water. But still, he gets the girl.

Sweet, innocent, simple story. Wonderful.


Oh perfect, DJ!! I can't add much to what you are saying here. You really added something to the story for me, especially the part about the piece of film. I don't think that theory is "blown out of the water"...as you said, "anything is possible when ghosts are involved."
I loved this story on an entirely emotional level, which is pretty much how I relate to everything and everyone. I saw this as a true love story in all aspects and was very satisfied by how it turned out. The only thing I would say is that the first time I read it I was expecting something evil to come out of the wood work, like we'd find out that Imogene was murdered by the original manager of the theatre and did not die of natural causes. That kept me on the edge of my seat...but the second time I read it I realized the boogey man wasn't going to jump out of the closet and I relaxed and enjoyed the sweet simplicity of love.

I do have to say one more thing about 20TH CENTURY GHOSTS, the book. I have been trying to get people at work to read it, getting them to start with "Pop Art" and for the most part I have been successful, but many of them say to me "Well, I don't like ghost stories." I explain to them that, yes, some of the stories in the book are a little scary, but it really isn't entirely a ghost story book. The stories in this book are so varied and different from each other...each one a gem and I really want people to experience them. But alot of them can't see past the title. I'll keep at it, though. Joe...you really are amazing, but don't let anyone type-cast you, ok? You can write anything, in any genre and I do hope that you allow yourself the freedom to create what your heart tells you to create. As I tell my girls all the time, YOU get to decide who you are...no one else.
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Postby Dana_Jean on Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:04 pm

Oh damn Betsy, I had a whole post to you and hit the wrong friggin' button and now *POOF* gone. I hate it when that happens.

Anyway, I basically just said that you are so right about Joe's writing and stories. He can write across the spectrum of genres. So, keep championing his work. Nothing pisses me off more than when someone paints a writer's work with a broad brush stroke. Or they have preconceived ideas about what a person is all about.

There's a certain author who I've always encouraged people to read and they immediately hear his name and make the most disparaging remarks. First thing out of my mouth is, "Have you read any of his works?" The answer is always no. Always. I want to tell these people, "shut the fuck up then because you are speaking from no personal experience with his writing." I hate ignorance like this.

So, if I serve no other purpose on this board or in my kingdom, I make a great "street team" kind of gal encouraging and recommending Joe's work to a variety of people. There are those out there who wish they could sing, or dance or play an instrument--I wish I could write beautiful stories that would make people think, like Joe did with 20thCGs.

Do I have other authors that I feel this passionately about? Yes. Because I love to read (when I can find the time) and I love to challenge myself and keep my brain engaged and learning.
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Postby Betsy_Boo on Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:32 am

From DJ...

"So, if I serve no other purpose on this board or in my kingdom, I make a great "street team" kind of gal encouraging and recommending Joe's work to a variety of people. There are those out there who wish they could sing, or dance or play an instrument--I wish I could write beautiful stories that would make people think, like Joe did with 20thCGs."

My feelings exactly, DJ!! I wish I could write, too. I've tried, but it all comes out as dreck. I do enjoy helping other writers, though. I know several people who write and I love to read their stuff and make suggestions. Wish I could find a job doing that. Can you imagine?? Reading for a living! The perfect job.

Hey!! We could all be on the "street team". Hey Shane and Joe...if there's anything we can do to help get the word out let us know!
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