BEST NEW HORROR -- SPOILERS

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Postby Dana_Jean on Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:33 pm

And what about that creepy Matthew Graham who edited "an odious horror fanzine titled Rancid Fantasies." What did you guys think about his ability to give Eddie so much information? I had this feeling that he was a broker of sorts for Kilrue. Supplying him with opportunities because he just seemed too friendly with Kilrue--and when Eddie drives to the house, he felt like the fat man at the mailbox had been "expecting him." Maybe he was expected because Graham let them know he would be coming?
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Postby Dana_Jean on Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:20 pm

I can see that lily. Wow. I wonder if it was Jim grown up or not?
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Postby Samoa_Girl on Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:10 pm

Dana Jean wrote:And what about that creepy Matthew Graham who edited "an odious horror fanzine titled Rancid Fantasies." What did you guys think about his ability to give Eddie so much information? I had this feeling that he was a broker of sorts for Kilrue. Supplying him with opportunities because he just seemed too friendly with Kilrue--and when Eddie drives to the house, he felt like the fat man at the mailbox had been "expecting him." Maybe he was expected because Graham let them know he would be coming?


I had written that in my original post, but then I got to thinking (maybe a little too much) so I changed my post. I think Matthew Graham was absolutely in on it from the begining. I also felt like the Giant could have been Killrue's brother in the Buttonboy story. Thinking from a child's prospective, he could have been "larger than life" when in an adult's view he was just a large man.
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Postby val04463 on Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:16 pm

I may prove to be even shallower than you thought ..but when I read a suspense or horror story the thought of the smells in it actually add to my fear...It's hard for me to explain,,but the second Graham's bad breath was mentioned I started getting that creeped out feeling..

When fat men are cooking things in kitchens it makes my stomach turn,

I am unaffected descriptions of the smell of corpses in regular forensic mysteries, but when stinky people in creepy houses have cooking going on I almost loose it. Its something that bugs me about Gladiator and western movies. Sometimes when watching "Deadwood" I can't get past how bad the place must have smelled.

When I saw "The Exorcist" in the theater, back in 1974? for the first time I was sitting next a girl who was wearing "Green Apples", a faddish scent for that year. I now relate that stench to a lot of yuchy scenarios, yet actually Green Apples smell good... But I regress.
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Postby Dana_Jean on Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:24 pm

When fat men are cooking things in kitchens it makes my stomach turn,


Especially ones just wearing a jock strap.

Oh definitely on the smells thing val. When an author can make you invest yourself into a story using all of your senses--that is just the best! Like I said, Joe's strength is in his sensory descriptions. IMHO anyway.
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Postby Betsy_Boo on Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:28 pm

The first time I read BNH I didn't think much of Graham other than Eddie's way of finding Killrue, but the second time I read it I definitely got the feeling that he was involved somehow for the same reasons DJ stated. Also, Val...I'm right there with you on the smells. This story gets you on every level of the senses and smells are always the most potent I think, when it comes to setting a mood. Joe gets that totally.
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Postby Dana_Jean on Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:30 pm

Yes he does.
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Postby Betsy_Boo on Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:31 pm

Weird...I was writing the same thing as DJ at the same time. Hope you don't think I was copying you. Hey...does this mean you owe me a coke?
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Postby Dana_Jean on Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:37 pm

Oh hell no I don't think you're copying me. That's cool we were seeing the same things. But, I don't owe you a Coke. Coke sucks ass. I'll owe you a Dr. Pepper instead.
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Postby LauraK on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:42 pm

Was Buttonboy a willing participant, that is , did he really lose his soul, so he became a gruesome killer, or was he bad to begin with?


I think he was made to believe he lost his soul. I think the Buttonboy at the end of the story was the same Jim she'd met in the backseat. Is he still around? Or has he been used for food?

What I'm confused about is the brothers. Peter wrote the stories, most likely from real life occurences facilitated by his own family.

The brother who'd worked in Poughkeepsie, Arnold, had 1 arm and a restraining order from his mother. So he wasn't the giant/killer who had captured Buttonhole. When Carroll arrived at Peter's house, he could hear the sound of a bandsaw coming from the carriage house.....wonder who was being cut up? At the end of the story, the 1 armed brother comes out of there and Carroll sees he has chains with hooks hanging from beams, a table saw and a chainsaw. :shock:

The 3'rd brother, the disturbingly tattooed & fat brother, is never named. He could have been the giant and those tattoos speak to his true personality, rather than his outward super-friendly persona. Most serial killers are able to be charming and disarming so they can easily catch their victims off guard, right? He seems to fit the bill. After he'd done his somewhat "normal" bit to get Carroll into the house, he strips down to his chef's outfit, just the creepy jockstrap....

Their kitchen makes me think of the family from Texas Chainsaw Massacre, cooking up body parts.

So to me, they work together to get their victims for more than one purpose: to provide story ideas for Peter, to fulfill the Giant's urges to kill and to provide food.

Poor Mom, huh? :shock:

So much detail and imagery in so few pages. Nicely done, Joe. I like the open-ending, too. I liked that even while he knew he was running for his life, Carroll was exhilarated and felt like this was what he'd lived his life for: this moment. He was the prey and yet he still thought he could escape, knowing what he knew of horror stories.

I don't think he made it, lol.

The Kilrue's knew their end of things much better than he did his.

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Postby Dana_Jean on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:01 pm

Nice LK, nice. Good thoughts there.
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Postby jodi on Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:07 am

Iknow I'm a little late in the game, but anyways here's my 2 pennies.


LauraK wrote:
Their kitchen makes me think of the family from Texas Chainsaw Massacre, cooking up body parts.


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I kept thinking about TCM too! Even when he was running through the house, and looking in the other rooms.

But I felt that Peter was more or less writing his autobiography rather than using it as story ideas.

just my opinion. :wink:
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Postby Michael_D on Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:14 am

I loved the ending. The thought of a horror fan ending up in a real life horror story was great.
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Postby meridith on Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:26 pm

I agree, the kitchen was definitly chainsaw massacreish!

The story about Buttonboy somewhat reminded me of the movie "Last House on the Left..." they 3 killers made the 2 teenager girls they kidnapped do things to each other (like make out) and them mutilated them. The ending was also very disturbing, but unlike Kilrues unpublished ending, the parents of one of the girls killed got revenge on the bad guys, so it was not a happy ending, but the bad guys "got what they deserved".

The only thing about Kilrues ending that I wondered about was if the guy pretending to be the cop was blind, how could he read what she was writing on the paper to him? And know it was her? Or is it assumed that the giant guy knew she was coming out and would come over so he quickly told him what to do etc before she heard?

I also liked how Kilrues mailbox said "kil u" or something like that! LOL

Ok the mother tied to the bed was really, really nasty!!!!!!! that was so wrong!

oh one other question I had, he described a smell going into Killrues house as being like man sweat and pancake batter. I asked my husband and was he was like uh, "From-under-cheese?" I guess that would make sense becuase the guy was fat and stinky??? LOL
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Postby meridith on Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:30 pm

thats a good point! I was wondering how they expected him!!

Dana Jean wrote:And what about that creepy Matthew Graham who edited "an odious horror fanzine titled Rancid Fantasies." What did you guys think about his ability to give Eddie so much information? I had this feeling that he was a broker of sorts for Kilrue. Supplying him with opportunities because he just seemed too friendly with Kilrue--and when Eddie drives to the house, he felt like the fat man at the mailbox had been "expecting him." Maybe he was expected because Graham let them know he would be coming?
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