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WATCHMEN

Postby demorganakamark on Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:05 pm

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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby Paul_Campbell on Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:26 pm

Saw the movie again tonight.

I said earlier that I was disappointed that I would never have the pleasure of seeing this movie again for the first time.

Enjoyed it even more though the second time, so much so that its so-called 'flaws' went unnoticed.*

This time, though, I went with my brother, who's a year-and-a-half older than me.

Brother's not a reader. He's a smart guy, with a great heart and a goofy sense of humour and I absolutely love him to death - but he's just not a reader. Picked up a copy of the Watchmen graphic novel for half-price in Borders bookstore, gave him it for Christmas. He loves superhero movies and had, naturally, heard of the upcoming Watchmen movie - even if he didn't quite know what to make of the trailers. He was intrigued though. "I'm definitely going to read this," he said on Christmas day. I hoped he would, but greatly doubted it: I don't think my brother's ever read a book.

Called him on Friday evening there, as soon as I got home from seeing the movie for the first time. He could tell I was psyched and buzzing. Said to him, though, that he would get so much more out of it himself if he read the book first.

"I have," he said. "Just finished it the other day."

Well, forget the movie leaving me dazed; when my brother said that you could have knocked me over with a feather.

So tonight I say it with my brother.

Afterwards I said, "So?!"

He open his mouth, made some kind of noise but no words came out. Then he sort of grinned, gave his head a little shake and said, "Just, you know, give me a minute."

I laughed and we went for a drink.

Turned out he needed more that a minute.

*Okay, so Nixon's nose is still too big and I wanted to use the soft-porn scene in the Nite Owl airship as a convenient moment to take a pee-break. But, neck, with only those two niggles I can live with that!
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby The_Fourth_Craw on Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:21 am

I urge everyone to forget about the previous adaptions of Alan Moore's work. This is different.

Yes, the ending has changed (sort off), but I think that it actually works better. I know that may be blasphemy to some, but thats what I think. The film stays true to the original work in all other respects.

Go and see it!
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby Gabriel on Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:19 am

I agree is the best Moore adaptation so far, and I think it has some important achievements: Keeping the dark tone, the moral conflict, and the astonishing visual development. The performance of Haley as Rorschach is amazing, and I liked the changed ending...

Had some minor flaws, as the excess of slow camera (in a movie with lenght problems, this is weird...), and the excess of gore (OK, I know is R rated, but I think that sequences like the one with the saw in jail were completely unnecesary and highly distracting...)

But it also have some capital crimes to me. The first one: the Mars scene with Doc Manhattan and Laurie just don't work, and is probably the most important scene in the story. In the movie, it leaves a feeling of clumsy anti climax, and people that didn't read the comic wouldn't understand why it was so important for Laurie to find out who his father was (side note: horrible acting by Malin Ackermann). And the second one: the complete lack of charm and depth in Adrian Veidt. All the shocking impact that the comic has in the final act is lost, as in the movie we see this weird Adrian, very introspective and distant.

I agree this is probably the best movie Snyder could do with this stuff ,and I really respect his effort, but I think it proves that's impossible to fit this story in the lenght of a movie. The only possible way to do this properly in in a 12 part tv series...

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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby demorganakamark on Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:38 pm

Seeing it on IMAX tonight. I hope.
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby Betsy_Boo on Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:18 pm

Well, my daughter told me she was going to see it last night. I haven't heard what she thought of it yet, but before she went she was excited because she said Billy Crudup was in it. She thinks he's really hot. I guess if I were her age I would too. Oh...who am I kidding? I think he's hot too. Anyway, I will probably see it at some point, but I have to wonder about G's point that if you haven't read the book there are parts you won't get. I really do hate it when they take a really good story and cut it down to the bare bones. I have to know...if I haven't read the series is it worth seeing?
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby Gabriel on Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:22 pm

Hey Betsy! It's not that you won't understand some parts, the problem is that some events that in the book have more complexity and depth, in the line of the movie plot have less meaning. I guess probably the movie is much more rewarding if you haven't read the book, so I think you're lucky if you have the chance to see the movie now, and after that, read the book.

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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby demorganakamark on Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:02 am

Gabriel wrote:I agree is the best Moore adaptation so far, and I think it has some important achievements: Keeping the dark tone, the moral conflict, and the astonishing visual development. The performance of Haley as Rorschach is amazing, and I liked the changed ending...

Had some minor flaws, as the excess of slow camera (in a movie with lenght problems, this is weird...), and the excess of gore (OK, I know is R rated, but I think that sequences like the one with the saw in jail were completely unnecesary and highly distracting...)

But it also have some capital crimes to me. The first one: the Mars scene with Doc Manhattan and Laurie just don't work, and is probably the most important scene in the story. In the movie, it leaves a feeling of clumsy anti climax, and people that didn't read the comic wouldn't understand why it was so important for Laurie to find out who his father was (side note: horrible acting by Malin Ackermann). And the second one: the complete lack of charm and depth in Adrian Veidt. All the shocking impact that the comic has in the final act is lost, as in the movie we see this weird Adrian, very introspective and distant.

I agree this is probably the best movie Snyder could do with this stuff ,and I really respect his effort, but I think it proves that's impossible to fit this story in the lenght of a movie. The only possible way to do this properly in in a 12 part tv series...

G-

Best review of the movie that Ive read. Seen it tonight and I completely agree 100% with what G said. The only other thing that annoyed me was the some of the songs, They took me completely out of the movie. Mary is sitting here agreeing with G as I was reading his comment about Veidt.
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby Paul_Campbell on Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:32 am

Gabriel wrote:Had some minor flaws, as the excess of slow camera (in a movie with lenght problems, this is weird...), and the excess of gore (OK, I know is R rated, but I think that sequences like the one with the saw in jail were completely unnecesary and highly distracting...)
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As much as I love horror fiction I detest horror movies: they're nothing more than torture-porn.

So in that sense I agree with you about the violence -

- whilst at the same time believing the director is deliberately shaming the audience into guilt because of its lust for violence. And the violence is not realistic, the slo-mo effect yet another way of rubbing the violence in the audience's face.

But why do this?

A one point The Comedian character gets punched repeatedly in the face by a fellow 'Good Guy' superhero, until he falls to his knees.

With burst lip and bloody nose The Comedian looks up, grins, and says, "This is what you like, huh? This is what gets you hot?"

The movie is taunting its audience, The Comedian looking into camera and speaking directly to them: you like punch-ups in Superhero™ Movies, don'tcha? So, we're giving it to ya, whatcha complaining about?

The violence is more graphic than it needs to be in order to make its audience uncomfortable, and thereby shame it.

In this sense Watchmen is an anti-Superhero™ Movie.

I thought The Dark Knight was a fantastic movie.

But if I had to go by how much a movie has affected me? Watchmen wins hands down, for consider: never before has it occurred to me to go to the cinema twice to see the same movie. After seeing it on Friday there, I needed to go back again on the Sunday.

I'll be going for a third time this coming Saturday with a comics fan from work (the fact that Watchmen co-creator, Dave Gibbons, is in Glasgow's Borders bookstore at 1:30pm to do a signing makes it a no-brainer: no way am I going to pass up the chance of having my 22-year-old 1st edition signed!).

Intrigued by my uncommon reaction to 'a mere movie' my wife's currently reading the graphic novel. Meaning I'll end up seeing it for a fourth time, and happily so.

For me Watchmen is more layered than The Dark Knight, thus making repeated viewings so enriching.

Sure, The Dark Knight is layered also, but its intentions are transparent, meaning you 'get it' the first time you see it. Its moody cinematography clearly marks it as a serious 'mature' movie.

Watchmen is far more subversive:

Here you have a movie which is bright and colourful and - gosh! - doesn't it look fun?! So why does it make some people uncomfortable? Because, on the surface, the movie taunts its audience by appearing to be yet another X-Men.

Whereas every other Superhero™ Movie - including The Dark Knight - celebrates the genre, Watchmen gleefully deconstructs it. And it doesn't need shadow and smoke and dim lighting in order to do so.

On the surface everything is there for yet another formulaic Superhero™ Movie. After all, it looks the part...

... but this is where the genius of Watchmen's subversion comes in, for although the movie can be enjoyed on a purely visual visceral level, woven through its stock superhero tropes you have tales of rape, cancer and impotency -

- you even have one of the 'Good Guys' assassinating John F. Kennedy in the opening credits.

Compared to that The Dark Knight seems positively pedestrian.
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby The_Fourth_Craw on Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:17 am

Paul, I totally agree with your comments regarding this movie. There will be some Alan Moore purists who will say any film of his work is trash, even if it were perfect, you cannot please everyone all the time, especially obsessives....

Since I have seen the movie I cannot get it out of my head. I have since re-read the graphic novel (a very tattered first edition as well)! Most of the movie is a word for word / scene by scene copy of the novel. I really think that it is a brilliant piece of work.

As for the violence, to me thats part of the point of the Watchmen story. There are no good or bad guys, its all grey. The heroes are just as psychotic as the people they are fighting. The Batman is another example of this, but the Watchmen makes the point, not in a subtle way, but with a good smack in the face!

I thought they would tone down the part where Rorschach was looking for the 6 year old girl, but no, they actually made it a nastier scene.

Its simply brilliant and anyone who dismisses it out of hand, without actually having seen it, needs their head examined..
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby Betsy_Boo on Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:07 am

Thanks G...and thanks to everyone who posted a review. You have certainly made me very curious about this movie!
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby demorganakamark on Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:22 am

I thought that the movie was the best it could be given its time restraints.
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby Melissa on Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:18 am

I skipped everyone's comments - going to see it tomorrow
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby Paul_Campbell on Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:59 am

Paul_Campbell wrote:I'll be going for a third time this coming Saturday with a comics fan from work (the fact that Watchmen co-creator, Dave Gibbons, is in Glasgow's Borders bookstore at 1:30pm to do a signing makes it a no-brainer: no way am I going to pass up the chance of having my 22-year-old 1st edition signed!).


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And my mate from work got his Polish edition signed! He loved the movie and although prewarned he still grinned and demanded -

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Of course, explaing that a squid vagina blown up on a huge cinema screen just wasn't ever gonna work only resulted in the reply, "Yeah, I know... but wouldn't it have been cool though?!"

Who knows, maybe they'll be an easter egg on the DVD... :wink:

Oh, yeah, and it's a sad day when a movie makes $100 million in 8 days... and is considered a flop. *sigh*

So go see it, folks -

- 'cause this is it, this will never happen again if the Hollywood studio grumbles about low tickets sales on this movie are anything to go by. It'll be PG-13 family friendly fare from here on out.

Paul Blart: Mall Cop anyone?
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Re: WATCHMEN

Postby Allen on Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:40 am

I wonder when Watchmen is coming to DVD?
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