First Debate

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Re: First Debate

Postby Betsy_Boo on Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:36 pm

doodoobird wrote:I saw the chris rock special. I like chris rock but he should keep his political views to himself. If your a celebrity who's fame is not related with anything political, then you should shut your mouth. No one should care about what George Cloony has to say about Bush. Lindsy Lohan recently said something negative about Sarah Palin and my jaw dropped in disbelief. She said, 'I cant keep silent no more.' PLEASE DO!!!! Celebritys live in a world so far detached from reality (OUR reality. Regular people, that is), what makes them think that us little people are interested in their political beliefs. SELF CENTERED BASTARDS. Ask the rich and famous how much a gallon of milk cost at the grocery store. Ask them how much a good education cost these days. They dont know.
I was watching t.v last night when I realized something. Pop culture, mainstream media (exception of Fox news), are in the tank for Obama. We the voter will place our votes in the ballot. Technically, we the people decide who the next president will be. BUT...... what makes us decide the way we do? Why do we pick who we pick??? Personal ideology? Our vision of the future? Who we think is more likable? Who inspires us more? Well, all these things factor into our decision. All these things are also heavily influenced by our culture. A culture that is overwhemingly biased. IT IS. Flip by the channels, if you know what your looking for, you cannot miss it. Maybe this bias is just???? Maybe the backlash on the party that ruled for the last 8 years caused this. Maybe. But I know its not right. Its not right for pop culture to influence in this way. We the people place that ticket in the ballot, but we are not doing so with our free will. No sir were not.


Hello DDB! Did you see the discussion on the blog????? Haven't we agreed that just because a person is a "celebrity" that he or she has a right to an opinion just like every other American? And Joe mentioned as well that artists always have used their beliefs (politics) to create. I just finished re-reading Fahrenheit 451. And there are a lot of other examples of art expressing an artist's beliefs. You should check it out if you haven't already.

I am not influenced by pop culture...I purposely ignore it. My beliefs are based on my parents and all the crap I've had to live through the past 49 years. I grew up watching the Vietnam "war" on tv. I watched JFK's funeral...Bobby and Martin's murders...I watched the Watergate hearings...Reagan's Iran/Contra bullshit...etc, etc, etc....I can't take much more. I'm desperate for a guy who is not only calm and willing to talk things out, but who is trustworthy as well. And that candidate is Obama. Say what you want about him...he knows what we are going through. And for me experience doesn't count as much as judgement and character. Obama has both!
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Re: First Debate

Postby doodoobird on Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:42 pm

Thats awesome that your not influenced. But most are.
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Re: First Debate

Postby grasking on Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:08 pm

Some people think it's better to be influenced by porn culture.
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Re: First Debate

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:17 pm

If McCain is such an arrogant SOB...why would we want him as our president....



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Re: First Debate

Postby Florida on Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:24 pm

grasking wrote:Some people think it's better to be influenced by porn culture.



I'm assuming you consider yourself one of those folk...lol
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Re: First Debate

Postby Kiuku on Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:35 pm

I looked at that discussion a little bit.

I was never more pissed at celebrities than when they had that fund raiser for Obama. I think a lot of the time that people's obsession with celebrities is WORSE. It's creepy. The problem that I have, and maybe it's the same as DDB, is when actors try to use their celebrity fame to give more weight to their political opinions than they should otherwise, in good sense, have.

But this is not different than the masses which have no good sense.

Authors, great literary heroes, and artists should not be judged the same as actors who may not have graduated highschool and can't spell.
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Re: First Debate

Postby Kiuku on Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:47 pm

Some people think it's better to be influenced by porn culture.


Good call.
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Re: First Debate

Postby Kiuku on Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:50 pm

I kind of daydreamed about all the celebrities trying to escape on a charter boat in the event America fell under attack, and saving a missile just for them.
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Re: First Debate

Postby doodoobird on Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:55 am

Kiuku, agreed. The combination of people actually caring about what a celebrity might have to say and most Americans being dumbasses is a sad one. If people like Obama, thats cool. Just let it because of the issues and not because your fav actor has a hard on for him and you got a hard on for said actor.
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Re: First Debate

Postby Betsy_Boo on Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:35 am

Gosh DDB...I hope people don't vote that way! My only thought when celebrities come out for a particular candidate is that they have the right like any other American to free speech. It would indeed be a sad state of affairs if people voted based on what a celebrity says. People should do a little research and make up their own minds.
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Re: First Debate

Postby doodoobird on Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:12 pm

Let me clarify: I dont think too many people are voting based on what a celebrity thinks. But when almost EVERY celebrity are for a certain cause, and strongly push for that cause, it certainly helps create a certain tone that can be helpful to their cause. The unfair part comes into play when you consider how much sway they have over pop culture. T.v, movies, music, e.t.c.
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