House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby demorganakamark on Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:37 pm

Mosbey wrote:
demorganakamark wrote:You sound upset mosbey.



The real question is WHY are you not upset by an end-run around the Constitution for ANY reason?


Frankly, the destruction of Healthcare in this country is secondary...

TO be honest and straight to the point.....I dont see that way.
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby demorganakamark on Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:42 pm

I dont see this as the destruction of Healthcare either. we just differ on what we think is better for ourselves....
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby demorganakamark on Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:49 pm

Mosbey wrote:I ask you, point blank, are you all OK with the near-criminal ‘antics’ pulled to get Obamacare this far?

I do hope you are right---that this will actually help. Sadly, every indicator points to the fact that your faith is, at best, delusional and naive. Please prove me wrong…find a case where such a system has been successful…(and remember, our new “system” will not have our current system to leech from)

One thing is for sure however…Obama, Pelosi, and Reid OWN this boondoggle...the rest of us, FOR GENERATIONS will end up paying the for it, with greater cost and gutted quality of care...but at least they cannot, yet again, pass the buck. ROCK ON!!!

You say "near-criminal"....hmmmm...i felt like that when Bush was in office.
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:35 am

Just read the following:
the American people will see immediate benefits. The legislation will:


Prohibit pre-existing condition exclusions for children in all new plans;

Provide immediate access to insurance for uninsured Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition through a temporary high-risk pool;

Prohibit dropping people from coverage when they get sick in all individual plans;

Lower seniors' prescription drug prices by beginning to close the donut hole;

Offer tax credits to small businesses to purchase coverage;

Eliminate lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits in all plans;

Require plans to cover an enrollee's dependent children until age 26;

Require new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost-sharing;

Ensure consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to appeal new insurance plan decisions;

Require premium rebates to enrollees from insurers with high administrative expenditures and require public disclosure of the percent of premiums applied to overhead costs.

By enacting these provisions right away, and others over time, we will be able to lower costs for everyone and give all Americans and small businesses more control over their health care choices.
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby Mosbey on Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:21 pm

Good God Mark…every one of your machinegun posts is wacked…
You do not see this as an end run around the Constitution? Open your eyes…are you honestly saying that this tripe was passed in a completely normal manner?

“I felt like that when Bush was in office. “
THAT is childish in the extreme…My off the cuff reply…Clearly you are proving yourselves to be no better than Bush…and much more hypocritical---you try to claim to be better...

And if you honestly believe that list...put out by those stumping for this boondoggle…then I have a bridge to sell you.

You think this will result in good health care? Every government run system pales in comparison to our current system. Show me one that is better and has not leeched tech from the US…
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:41 pm

and what do you have to say other than make your childish remarks about others here telling you why they see the upside of a change in healthcare that would benefit people in their family. you say that my remarks are wacked....If it was a run around the constitution...really, seriously...do you think that it would have gotten so far...your just mad because its a change that you dont want to happen,.....then you call my remark about bush lying about WMD's childish.....whatever.
the you say the list is BOONDOGGIE...whatever
All i hear from you is childish remarks and insults.....
You tell me the real reason why u like the healthcare change....and dont say that bullshit about constitution...because thats getting old....and honestly...your wrong about it. CLEARLY.
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby Betsy_Boo on Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:09 pm

Mosbey makes me want to drink myself into a stupor.
Mark...do what I do...put him on your ignore list 'cause if you don't he's gonna drive you to drink.
Mosbey...you are just rude and heartless.
Shane, would love it if you'd ban this guy. He doesn't read Joe's stuff. He just comes here to piss us off.
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:13 pm

lol..BB. You just have to take eveyone in doses(?),some large, some very small..lol. I TRY to not let anyone get to me...some people are more subborn than others.
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby Betsy_Boo on Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:15 pm

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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:17 pm

Now, whats wrong with any of the following:
Prohibit pre-existing condition exclusions for children in all new plans;

Provide immediate access to insurance for uninsured Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition through a temporary high-risk pool;

Prohibit dropping people from coverage when they get sick in all individual plans;

Lower seniors' prescription drug prices by beginning to close the donut hole;

Offer tax credits to small businesses to purchase coverage;

Eliminate lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits in all plans;

Require plans to cover an enrollee's dependent children until age 26;

Require new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost-sharing;

Ensure consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to appeal new insurance plan decisions;

Require premium rebates to enrollees from insurers with high administrative expenditures and require public disclosure of the percent of premiums applied to overhead costs.


SO, does anyone see anything wrong with the above?..
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby Betsy_Boo on Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:26 pm

I'd be willing to bet Mosbey does.
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:46 pm

LOL. I would like to know if he objects to any of them....directly.
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby grasking on Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:16 pm

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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:24 pm

LOL...nothing that wasnt expected.
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Re: House votes 219-210 to pass health care reform

Postby grasking on Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:27 pm

"The issue at the heart of the lawsuit is the constitutionality of the so-called "individual mandate," which requires most Americans to have an insurance plan or else pay a federal penalty.

"The Constitution nowhere authorizes the United States to mandate, either directly or under threat of penalty, that all citizens and legal residents have qualifying health care coverage," the lawsuit reads."
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