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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby demorganakamark on Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:37 pm

By the way....everyone is talking about McCains record and how he is a maverick....didnt he agree with bush 90% of the time....doesnt sound like a maverick to me.
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby Mosbey on Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:53 am

A bit off of current topic, but:
The spin is that in some of the same years, Obama also voted with the President nearly 40% of the time as well and voted a near 100% of the time with the Democrat Party.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/i ... _with.html


Back on track...At best, you listed three TRIVIAL examples of somewhat less questionable judgment on Biden’s part… Heck a monkey flipping a coin would get something correct over 36 years…Obama considers Biden his EXPERT…

demorganakamark wrote:Biden also
1) opposed aid to te Nicaraguan Contras


So if we had listened to Joe’s Cold War choices…chances are most of Latin and Central America would now be failing socialist states…TAILS

demorganakamark wrote:2) Biden has challenged the Republicans' unconstitutional insistence that the executive has the power to wage war without consent of Congress

And? To what end…so did Ron Paul and David Kucinich…HEADS…and so did our Monkey. Biden also voted FOR that "Blank Check" before he opposed it...(low blow there :wink: )
demorganakamark wrote:3)He has also raised strong objections to some of the Bush administration’s efforts to develop new nuclear weapons systems and abrogate existing arms-control treaties

So, Biden OBJECTS to modernizing and revamping our strategic arsenal? He prefers to keep weaponry, technology, and treaties in place as if we were fighting the old Soviet Bloc some 30 years ago? According to Biden are we supposed to continue having weapons pointed at places like Poland, E. Germany and Ukraine rather than modernize our system and develop systems more capable of handling “Rogue” states like N. Korea and Iran?! We withdrew formally from some of those arms treaties so we could legally develop ANTI-missile systems. This is laughable but not unexpected…recall Biden opposed the policies that resulted in the Break up of the Soviet Bloc…TAILS...BAD Monkey!

Biden is your expert... :?
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby Mercy on Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:17 pm

Mosbey wrote:Mercy, welcome to the padded room!

Mercy wrote: Even her supporters in Alaska don't feel she was an appropriate choice...


I am not so sure that the linked posts are true supporters...Palin’s approval rating among the people of Alaska ranges from high 60s to low 90s depending upon to whom you listen. She, like everyone else in office, does have some vocal detractors. Have you read anything on her even close to Obama's Ayers or Rezko connections?

Mercy wrote:I don't want to be censored, why would I want her in a position she could do it from?

You again repeat a debunked allegation that Palin is a censor…Like most of the crap spewed against her, Factcheck and others have time and again discredited the “Palin as Book Burning Censor” accusation. The following is chilling truth however...Obama and other Democrats want to reinstate true censorship under the guise of the so called “fairness doctrine.” Are you in favor of this censorship? Sadly today, If you do not want censorship, you do not want these "Democrats."

As for judgment of a VP choice… Biden is supposed to strengthen Obama’s total and complete lack of any Foreign Policy Credentials. Let us look at a few of the most important Foreign policy decisions of Biden’s long career…

Vietnam:
Biden and his party had role in cutting off aid to South Vietnam…leading to the Cambodian “Killing Fields” and resulting holocaust of 1.6 Million men, women and children…VVAW don’t like to admit that…

Cold War:
Biden worked actively to BLOCK Reagan’s push for SDI and the Pershing missile deployment in Europe…actions that according to Gorbachev and others directly resulted in the ended the Cold War.

Iraq:
Biden voted to give Bush the “blank check” for war in Iraq…
Biden wanted to break Iraq up into at least 3 states…


So…Biden was wrong 3 for 3 on world altering Foreign Policy decisions…You honestly think we can afford him at the helm?


Thanks for the welcome back, I rarely get here as often as I should (I think it was about three months since my last visit Yikes!) Let me say I'm no huge fan of Biden, his only 'saving grace' in my opinion is that he has admitted he screwed up on a few occasions (probably not all, but really now, who does). I think he balances Obama.
I did look into fact check, which still didn't change my stance on Palin, and it's nice to know that she stuck to 'What if" questions, though I would like to state that I never said she was a book burner.
As for the Ayers thing, that's been blown completely out of proportion. If you punish Obama for that then you should punish Palin for her management of Wasilla, and her proven abuse of power.
Palin supported the bridge to nowhere until it was almost over, she raised Wasilla's expenditures by 35% (what we all want to hear in a bad economy right?) including building a sports center on land with no clear title. And I'm sure we all know about the ex-brother-in-law by now.
Another reason I worry less about Biden being in charge, I think Obama will outlive him, I'm not so sure about McCain surviving Palin. :wink:
(That, and if I hear people in my...economic state, we'll call it, referred to as joe six pack one more time I may get sick. That's just a personal thing though)
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby demorganakamark on Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:52 pm

Mosbey wrote:A bit off of current topic, but:
The spin is that in some of the same years, Obama also voted with the President nearly 40% of the time as well and voted a near 100% of the time with the Democrat Party.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/i ... _with.html


Back on track...At best, you listed three TRIVIAL examples of somewhat less questionable judgment on Biden’s part… Heck a monkey flipping a coin would get something correct over 36 years…Obama considers Biden his EXPERT…

demorganakamark wrote:Biden also
1) opposed aid to te Nicaraguan Contras


So if we had listened to Joe’s Cold War choices…chances are most of Latin and Central America would now be failing socialist states…TAILS

demorganakamark wrote:2) Biden has challenged the Republicans' unconstitutional insistence that the executive has the power to wage war without consent of Congress

And? To what end…so did Ron Paul and David Kucinich…HEADS…and so did our Monkey. Biden also voted FOR that "Blank Check" before he opposed it...(low blow there :wink: )
demorganakamark wrote:3)He has also raised strong objections to some of the Bush administration’s efforts to develop new nuclear weapons systems and abrogate existing arms-control treaties

So, Biden OBJECTS to modernizing and revamping our strategic arsenal? He prefers to keep weaponry, technology, and treaties in place as if we were fighting the old Soviet Bloc some 30 years ago? According to Biden are we supposed to continue having weapons pointed at places like Poland, E. Germany and Ukraine rather than modernize our system and develop systems more capable of handling “Rogue” states like N. Korea and Iran?! We withdrew formally from some of those arms treaties so we could legally develop ANTI-missile systems. This is laughable but not unexpected…recall Biden opposed the policies that resulted in the Break up of the Soviet Bloc…TAILS...BAD Monkey!

Biden is your expert... :?

No matter how bad you feel Biden may be...do you really think that Palin could/would ever be better...
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby demorganakamark on Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:53 pm

Palin is the monkey on McCains back
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby Mosbey on Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:24 am

The difference between Palin and Biden is simple: Palin has never been billed as McCain’s Political expert, Biden ‘IS’ Obama’s Political expert. Obama sure as hell has nothing of his own to fall back upon. Biden’s ‘strength’ is said to be Foreign Policy. How the heck can anyone look at THAT record and think Biden is qualified!? Tapping Biden, now THAT is TERRIBLE Judgment from a candidate with no positive record, no accomplishments, NOTHING ELSE to fall back upon except for a grocery list of other bad personal choices.
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:16 pm

And how is Palin suppose to help McCain then.....soccer moms and Joes whoever...she is there just becasue she is a woman and to get the religious folks on board....there is nothing else..
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:34 pm

and lets not forget....Biden will bring things to the plate..but its Obama that will decide on what to do.
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby Mosbey on Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:41 pm

Palin was chosen because she was a popular Governor and a Washington outsider with a well earned reputation for taking on her own party…McCain wanted to build on that “Maverick” reputation.

Biden was chosen because he was a comfortable known entity and to cover for Obama’s minimal experience with Foreign Policy and such. Obama has only been in the national spotlight for 2 years…he needed a fixture to legitimize his ticket.


demorganakamark wrote:and lets not forget....Biden will bring things to the plate..but its Obama that will decide on what to do.


Given Obama’s history, that IS the trouble…
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:44 pm

Palin was chosen because they wanted the christian vote
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:45 pm

and to fire things up...as they would say
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:19 pm

Obama is an intelligent human being who can take in consideration Bidens opinion but ultimately decide if he wants to take it........bringing ideas and solutions is what biden is suppose to do....lets say that Palin is VP..what can she bring to a discussion, if the topic isnt about Energy dependence..which she seems to yell about at any given oppurtunity..
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby demorganakamark on Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:40 pm

well, here is one the reasons that I just can not support Palin..
she does not support
STEM CELL RESEARCH...

But to be fair....McCain as far as i know does SUPPORT STEM CELL RESEARCH.
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby Mosbey on Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:32 am

“Obama is an intelligent human being…” So was Neville Chamberlain; So was Jimmy Carter; So was George W. Bush, so were the designers of the Hindenburg…

You are making a total leap of faith that he will take us in the correct direction. His statements and limited record speak volumes to the contrary.
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Re: Is Palin ready.

Postby demorganakamark on Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:10 pm

Mosbey wrote:“Obama is an intelligent human being…” So was Neville Chamberlain; So was Jimmy Carter; So was George W. Bush, so were the designers of the Hindenburg…

You are making a total leap of faith that he will take us in the correct direction. His statements and limited record speak volumes to the contrary.

Im not making a leap of faith...Im not going to sit here and tell you that i believe that everything he says he will do..come on thats just politics..what i am hoping is that he could put this country back on track...how, well, time will tell..all this talk about faith and this and that..when Palin is on your boys team and thats the reason that she is in the passengers side..you would have to have some kind of faith in something other than her to believe that she could even make an impact if she was VP....the reason she exists on the ballot is because of her gender and the possibility that she could get some of the people who rely soley on faith...
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