VOLUNTARY COMMITTAL...SPOILERS

Joe's first collection.

Postby Betsy_Boo on Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:08 am

"Was Nolan so focused on getting this yutz's curiousity satisfied that he just never really looked around or does one see what they want to see inside the boxes?"---Snooky

Oooh...interesting thought. Or maybe they go in and get what they deserve?

Regarding the loneliness...I never really thought Morris was lonely, but I thought Nolan was. Why else would he end up hanging out with Eddie the wanker?
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Postby LauraK on Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:21 am

Snooky, you've pretty much expressed how I feel about this one. It was the one that affected me most as my son has Asperger's, so I could relate to the single-mindedness Morris had in building his box-forts.
I also hope his brother followed him and they're both in that field of sunflowers. :)
He definitely created an opening into....other possibilities.

Betsy, I like your thought of getting what's deserved inside. Morris told his brother about the voice inside the fort, telling him which way to go...that he'd see a field of sunflowers on the other side.
Was that true or was that voice malevolent, and Morris actually wound up in a place much like Eddie may have? He (Eddie) definitely experienced it differently than Nolan did....perhaps it recognizes the kind of person coming through and deposits them, like you said, where they belong. :twisted:
If so, Morris is not with Eddie, lol.

Not sure I would have gone into the fort Morris left behind..... :shock:

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Postby Betsy_Boo on Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:10 pm

LauraK wrote:Snooky, you've pretty much expressed how I feel about this one. It was the one that affected me most as my son has Asperger's, so I could relate to the single-mindedness Morris had in building his box-forts.
I also hope his brother followed him and they're both in that field of sunflowers. :)
He definitely created an opening into....other possibilities.

Betsy, I like your thought of getting what's deserved inside. Morris told his brother about the voice inside the fort, telling him which way to go...that he'd see a field of sunflowers on the other side.
Was that true or was that voice malevolent, and Morris actually wound up in a place much like Eddie may have? He (Eddie) definitely experienced it differently than Nolan did....perhaps it recognizes the kind of person coming through and deposits them, like you said, where they belong. :twisted:
If so, Morris is not with Eddie, lol.

Not sure I would have gone into the fort Morris left behind..... :shock:

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Dear LK...I don't know much about Asperger's (I am going to look it up) but I hope it hasn't been too difficult for you. I read "The Curious Incident of the Dog...etc" and I think the narrator had that. Did you read that book? One of my daughters was diagnosed with Bi-Polar disorder when she was a teen and I know how hard that has been for me, but I don't know how different it is for you. Anyway, I guess I wanted you to know that I'm sending you good thoughts and prayers (if that's ok?). Sometimes being a parent can be sooooooo hard...and sometimes it's the most wonderful thing that can ever happen to you. Ask a parent about it and depending on what day it is, you'll get entirely different answers.

I don't think Morris would've ended up in the same place as Eddie...after-all, he created the box/labyrinth and he was able to tell Nolan which way he should go. I think Morris kept trying to create the perfect path to the perfect place and I think he finally did. And it may sound crazy, but I would've followed Morris. I will always be looking for that "field of sunflowers".
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Postby LauraK on Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:46 pm

Yep, like I said, I don't think Morris and Eddie wound up in the same place- only if it was some evil entity tricking Morris...... :evil: ....which it could have been, right?? :twisted:

Thanks for the thoughts and prayers, they're much appreciated. :)

Jacob is our shining light, corny as that may sound. He's affected socially and in his thinking, which is very, very concrete. He takes things literally but is starting to "get" sarcasm, which is good....some never do. He's very easily distracted but tends to focus on one thing at a time to the exclusion of all else. :) He's been obsessed with Mario Bros for the past year or so, he was Mario for Halloween and plans to be Luigi this year, lol. But he's branching out and also likes other things. He's very high-functioning.

Right now my biggest problem is his teacher. I hate her. (I know, extreme, but she's driven me NUTS this year with her lack of communication and thinking she knows what she's doing in regards to how to teach him.) Too too much to go into. Our IEP is next week so I'll have my say and then some. :)

Sorry for the Spam.... :oops:

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Postby Betsy_Boo on Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:37 am

Don't apologize, LK...if anyone should it should be me. I asked. And I think it's cool how we can relate Joe's stories to our own lives. It's really a compliment to him, when you think about it.

And I'm glad to hear things are going well for Jacob...good luck with the teacher!
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Postby sybil on Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:09 am

betsy - LK is the bestest mother in the world! she's done tons of research, and does exactly the right things for jacob...it's amazing how tuned her instincts are to him. when the folks at SKBB had a meet in bangor, she and her hubby were there with jacob. ~30 crazy adults acting like kids, and jacob held his own...i would have never known that there was anything "different" (for lack of a better term. actually, "special" is a better word for him) about him. he's a total charmer.

uhoh, LK - i kinda feel sorry for that teacher. :wink: let us know how it goes.
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Postby LauraK on Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:11 pm

I felt sorry for her at first. Not so much now. :evil:

She's intimidated by me, poor thing. God forbid I should ask her to keep me appraised of any problems! Or be surprised that she decided to just watch him not do the proper amount of work on a project because she wanted to see if he could do it on his own. :shock: :evil:
I said "Uhhhh, isn't that one of those times when you should have emailed me so that I could give the proper support/encouragement from home about??" (You'd better do your work, Jacob...that kind of thing.)

*teacher stares at me like deer in headlights*

"Yes. Yes, I suppose it was. I was wrong. I should have let you know."

DUH!

Then, 2 wks after above discussion, when he came home with only 3 questions for a study guide that was to be self written, I knew there had to be more. So I emailed her and she said he told her he'd done it all and turned his back on her. She didn't want to insult him by continuing to ask, since she felt he'd been improving his independence.

:shock:

Hello!! This isn't some adult you're trying to impress...this is a 9 year old w/ Asperger's who doesn't do oral directions well- I've told her that from the beginning of the year, grrrr- and who needs written. Accommodations, they're called. Written into his IEP.
I pretty much let her have it and said that the way he turned his back on her was not only disrespectful but an obvious red flag that he actually didn't have the work done properly and that it was her job to teach him not be his buddy.
:evil: :evil: :evil:

I was pretty steamed up. Plus, this all was happening as my Gramma was dying. It's been stressful.

I sent cc's (not blind ones, either) to the 2 counselors, the principal and our Autism specialist. Maybe she didn't like that....too fucking bad.

Woo. Sorry. Don't get me started on her. I guess it's better to vent some more before the meeting next week, eh? I'm not too worried, I've spoken to the principal and she's very concerned to know what's gone on so far this year and what my issues w/ this teacher have been.

I don't want his hand held, yesterday I saw that there was a math test "this week." No date. So I told him to do his study guide. He said the test wasn't today, he knew it. I said, ok, that's your decision but if you're wrong and you get a D or worse, you're grounded from games and computer for a week.
The test was today.
he freaked, the teacher halped him and a group of other kids some and she sent me a note saying that if he didn't pass he could retake it w/ the counselor. I declined and told her the grade should stand. It was partly his responsibility to find out the test date and to properly study for it. I did tell her that I wanted him to start a test calendar and to write down test dates as soon as he knows them so he'll always have enough study time.

So.

Again....sorry to go on and on!!! :oops: Thanks for listening.

janis, you're a sweetie. You know what he remembers most from Maine? When the screen fell out of the window at the restaraunt, lol! :) And being in Betts, probably becasue I have a pic of him sitting in the SK chair. And Annie's pink hair!

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Postby jodi on Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:06 pm

Wow LK, your kids teacher and my kids teacher must be twins!
I v'e been dealing with her for 3 yrs tho'. (small pvt school) Thnk God this is his last year with her. I've just completely stopped talking to her and I just talk directly to the principal, who also happens to be my mother-in-law. I know his teacher is glad this is her last year to deal with me too! LOL!
I feel ya LK, know just how you feel. :wink:
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Postby LauraK on Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:38 pm

MIL Principal?? WOOO!! That helps make up for the teacher, I bet. But don't you hate what your child has missed out on? That's what sucks.
Why can't some people admit that maybe, just maybe, their way isn't THE way? At least not for every child. They're all different and should be dealt with in the way that best works for them, especially if they have special needs.

I feel that same "Thank God" that he'll have a different teacher next yr. I'm sorry yours had to be stuck w/ her for 3 whole years, jodi. :(

I also know that for all of the teachers who aren't so great- there are tons of excellent ones. Jake had one for 1'st and 2'nd grade. She's the one who diagnosed him, informally, before the real dx. She was a Godsend and has, unfortunately, retired. :(

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Postby jodi on Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:09 pm

She's kinda come around the last few months, she's a little thick. She's not a "bad teacher" just one of those my way or my way kinda people. So am I! So we butted heads big time. She's actually made alot accomodations for him, but I'm still done with her, she avoids me and that's the way I like it for now. :twisted:
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Postby sybil on Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:37 am

LOL, LK - who could forget annie's pink hair?!?! (especially with the orange sweatshirt - UGH!) :D

well, i happen to think that the way you handle jacob is marvelous. and he's a doll. he never seemed intimidated by a bunch of laughing (and fairly drunk at times) adults. i just wish you could have stayed longer, but i guess we were lucky to get at all, right?!
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Postby Jason_Davidson on Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:25 am

I keep thinking about this story, and the concept of "the structure that's larger and more convoluted on the inside than the outside." It's archetypal, I think--one of those things that I dream about from time to time. It's usually a return to my childhood home, only to find it full of winding secret passages and huge, interesting rooms (sometimes filled with arcade machines, sometimes carnival rides, maybe a huge pool room etc). My Jungian chops are rusty but probably has something to do with hidden facets of the self.
Definitely one of my favorites in the book.
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Postby Betsy_Boo on Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:35 am

Me too! "Volutary Committal" and "Pop Art" are my 2 favs in 20thCG.

Your post reminded me of that book "House of Leaves". Did you ever read it? It's about a house that is much larger inside than out...but in a much creepier way than the lovely dream you describe.
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Re: VOLUNTARY COMMITTAL...SPOILERS

Postby grasking on Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:25 pm

They found Morris on American Pickers.
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Re: VOLUNTARY COMMITTAL...SPOILERS

Postby Betsy_Boo on Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:28 am

grasking wrote:They found Morris on American Pickers.


LOL!
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